5 Bikers charged with Couples death

[arryace]

Three Bradford men, aged 31, 29 and 26, and a 28-year-old Bingley man have now been charged with two counts of causing death by dangerous driving.
A 36-year-old Keighley man has been charged with two counts of causing death by dangerous driving and two counts of causing death by dangerous driving while uninsured

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8908508.Five_charged_over_Bradford_couple_s_crash_deaths/

I think we are all responsible for our own actions, we all have a choice unless they were forcing the rider against his will how can they be guilty?

If they are found guilty this will set a precedence in future cases.

maybe this is why i prefer to ride alone

[rotax81]

its all a bit over the top imo.

if 5 car drivers went for a blast and one had an accident do they all get nicked? 

without knowing the full details i cant really comment much more 

[CK]

http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/8908508.Five_charged_over_Bradford_couple_s_crash_deaths/

I think we are all responsible for our own actions, we all have a choice unless they were forcing the rider against his will how can they be guilty?

If they are found guilty this will set a precedence in future cases.

maybe this is why i prefer to ride alone

 I just can't  get my head around how the five have been charged with such serious offences. As you say Arry, we are all responsible for own actions.
I'm sure I read a bit about this case a while ago and the guy was riding in a dangerous manner anyway. So what can you do, take the keys of the bloke, or tell him to bugger off and take a different route? It's absolutely ridiculous to proportion the blame, but God help us if the law decrees there is a degree of liability to this type of accident.
i haven't ridden with others in agroup, but have driven in a group, sometimes a little over the limit  , but that is my risk and I have only myself to blame if I have an accident.
Mind you, if I have to undertake someone sitting in the outside lane for no reason, and I have an accident because of it, I guess i can blame the other driver as he made me do it by not pulling over and driving considerately 

[Gaz]

Wow. Just wow. I can't believe they used so many words to tell us absolutely nothing.

R.I.P.

[RaceCore]

My dad died on his bike while out with a group of friends, i never got the full story as i guess they didnt want to say they were speeding.... no doubt they were but was out of the way.... i dont blame them for it but i do hold a grudge for not giving the full facts to me.... my dad made the commitment, he was punished for with his life.... cant put that on his friends heads he made the choice... although they did nag him to go out that day when he said no to them....

[Alan@asperformance]

you make your own choices in life and should never feel pushed/prssured into doing something your not 100% happy with IMO

as for this specific case we dont know the full details or circumstances, but its worth noting that there have already been precedents set in law in similiar cases...........

[arryace]

there has indeed Alan
but it's one thing to get some points because of another actions compared to the possibility of a custodial sentence.

this sort of case could even effect club ride-outs where organisers could be held responsible

[Alan@asperformance]

the precedents that im aware of involved jail terms...............

as an aside (albeit from whispers and rumours that appear to surround this case) i think you may well find that there is far more to these specific charges than simply targeting  a few guys on a ride out

[mc101]

Of course you can be culpable without actually doing the killing.... for instance if your actions forced them to take avoiding action you are the root cause.. your guilty by action and not association.

Time will tell once all the evidence is laid before the inquest.

[Skinny55]

I can't believe they used so many words to tell us absolutely nothing.

R.I.P.

Ed Zachery.  It's a very sad story, but where's the plot?  Can't see the point of reporting if the full report can't be reported. 

[rotax81]

as an aside (albeit from whispers and rumours that appear to surround this case) i think you may well find that there is far more to these specific charges than simply targeting  a few guys on a ride out

cock on imo 

[Iceman]

I feel sorry for the two that lost their lives in this collision but until all the facts are known you can never supposition as to why what where when  and how to be charged with this type of offence there must be strong evidence of some kind

[leek74]

Ive been asked to post this link, here seemed as good a place as any

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_133717773368313&view=members

[Katch]

thanks leek, i couldn't remember my password.

for those that wanted to know, the incident is very peculier, but the long and short of it is the riders being charged were no where near the crash and ahead of him. They had no influence over his riding or speed.

The rider and pillion were stuck at traffic lights and some corners later crashed head on with the vauxhaul. The other riders were some distance ahead and eventually turned around when they realised they were a rider short. They are being blamed for something they couldn't have stopped.

The link Leek posted is for those family and friends trying to rally support for the riders. 

If there is a prosecution it will definately have a knock on affect to social riding 

[arryace]

i also feel sorry for the car occupants the fact that it's not your fault does little to help the effects of witnessing such a terrible accident