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Re: MAG protest
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2011, 07:24:13 PM »
news today.......

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/newsediting/9270820.Bikers_protest_over_proposed_EU_legislation/?ref=mr

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Re: MAG protest
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2011, 07:53:26 PM »
a better vid from OOP NORTH..........



(thats me at 1;35 in the white lid)
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Re: MAG protest
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2011, 08:07:44 PM »
news today.......

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/newsediting/9270820.Bikers_protest_over_proposed_EU_legislation/?ref=mr

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"Police say the majority of bikers behaved responsibly, however 45 were stopped and issued with Section 59 Police Reform Act warnings for acting in an anti-social manner."


Good old Northumbria Police eh?

Their Chief Cuntstable gets a ring from fellow golf club members complaining their trip to the 19th T is being delayed somewhat so the order goes to the cretinous underlings without their own mind PC's on the ground to stop and harrass riders on a perfectly legal demonstration ride.

Sure,there were a few riders causing a nuisance (10 tops) and having the audacity to ride at 5mph (for the record,that's a good speed for this stretch of the road on any other day!) but our freindly Police decide to threaten and attempt to intimdate anyone,including three of us who blatantly (and without thought to others) decided to pull into a carpark  ::)

It'll be interesting to see if anyone chooses to challenge the issue of Sec 59 notices.
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Re: MAG protest
« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2011, 11:31:39 PM »
Police Reform Act 2002

2002 c.30

The following extracts were provided by Dave Codrai ;
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Seizure of motor vehicles

59.   Vehicles used in manner causing alarm, distress or annoyance

(1)    Where a constable in uniform has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle is being used on any occasion in a manner which -
(a)    contravenes section 3 or 34 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (careless and inconsiderate driving and prohibition of off-road driving), and
(b)    is causing, or is likely to cause, alarm, distress or annoyance to members of the public,
he shall have the powers set out in subsection (3).

(2)    A constable in uniform shall also have the powers set out in subsection (3) where he has reasonable grounds for believing that a motor vehicle has been used on any occasion in a manner falling within subsection (1).

(3)    Those powers are -
(a)    power, if the motor vehicle is moving, to order the person driving it to stop the vehicle;
(b)    power to seize and remove the motor vehicle;
(c)    power, for the purposes of exercising a power falling within paragraph (a) or (b), to enter any premises on which he has reasonable grounds for believing the motor vehicle to be;
(d)    power to use reasonable force, if necessary, in the exercise of any power conferred by any of paragraphs to (a) to (c).

(4)    A constable shall not seize a motor vehicle in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by this section unless -
(a)    he has warned the person appearing to him to be the person whose use falls within subsection (1) that he will seize it, if that use continues or is repeated; and
(b)    it appears to him that the use has continued or been repeated after the the warning.

(5)    Subsection (4) does not require a warning to be given by a constable on any occasion on which he would otherwise have the power to seize a motor vehicle under this section if -
(a)    the circumstances make it impracticable for him to give the warning;
(b)    the constable has already on that occasion given a warning under that subsection in respect of any use of that motor vehicle or of another motor vehicle by that person or any other person;
(c)    the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that such a warning has been given on that occasion otherwise than by him; or
(d)    the constable has reasonable grounds for believing that the person whose use of that motor vehicle on that occasion would justify the seizure is a person to whom a warning under that subsection has been given (whether or not by that constable or in respect the same vehicle or the same or a similar use) on a previous occasion in the previous twelve months.

(6)    A person who fails to comply with an order under subsection (3)(a) is guilty of an offence and shall be liable, on summary conviction, to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale.

(7)    Subsection (3)(c) does not authorise entry into a private dwelling house.

(8 )The powers conferred on a constable by this section shall be exercisable only at a time when regulations under section 60 are in force.

(9)    In this section -
     "driving" has the same meaning as in the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52);
     "motor vehicle" means any mechanically propelled vehicle, whether or not it is intended or adapted for use on roads; and
     "private dwelling house" does not include any garage or other structure occupied with the dwelling house, or any land appurtenant to the dwelling house.

60.   Retention etc. of vehicles seized under section 59

(1)    The Secretary of State may by regulations make provision as to -
(a)    the removal and retention of motor vehicles seized under section 59; and
(b)    the release or disposal of such motor vehicles.

(2)    Regulations under subsection (1) may, in particular, make provision -
(a)    for the giving of notice of the seizure of a motor vehicle under section 59 to a person who is the owner of that vehicle or who, in accordance with the regulations, appears to be its owner;
(b)    for the procedure by which a person who claims to be the owner of a motor vehicle seized under section 59 may seek to have it released;
(c)    for requiring the payment of fees, charges or costs in relation to the removal and retention of such a motor vehicle and to any application for its release;
(d)    as to the circumstances in which a motor vehicle seized under section 59 may be disposed of;
(e)    as to the destination -
(i)    of any fees or charges payable in accordance with the regulations; and
(ii)    of the proceeds (if any) arising from the disposal of a motor vehicle seized under section 59;
(f)    for the delivery to a local authority, in circumstances prescribed by or determined in accordance with the regulations, of any motor vehicle seized under section 59.

(3)    Regulations under subsection (1) must provide that a person who would otherwise be liable to pay any fee or charge under the regulations shall not be liable to pay it if -
(a)    the use by reference to which the motor vehicle in question was seized was not a use by him; and
(b)    he did not know of the use of the vehicle in the manner which led to its seizure, had not consented to its use in that manner and could not, by the taking of reasonable steps, have prevented its use in that manner.

(4)    In this section -
     "local authority" -
(a)    in relation to England, means the council of a county, metropolitan district or London borough, the Common Council of the City of London or Transport for London; and
(b)    in relation to Wales, means the council of a county or county borough;
     "motor vehicle" has the same meaning as in section 59.


This is a very unjust piece of legislation as it does not have any right of appeal. It was designed to stop boy racers tearing around housing estates despite police warnings.
It is quite common for these to be issued incorrectly due to ignorance of the law by those issuing them. I suspect that it is also abused by officers as they know that there is NO RIGHT TO APPEAL .
If you have done nothing wrong I would make an official complaint to the Inspector at the police station where the notice was issued.
 DO NOT TRUST ANY VERBAL ASSURANCES from ANYONE!!!!!
 I would seek a written assurance that the notice had been issued in error or retracted and that the record of it had been removed from National Records so your bike is not siezed in the future.
If you do not get a suitable resonse from the Inspector contact their Proffessional Standards / Complaints department IN WRITING ONLY and repeat the complaint.

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