Independance for Scotand

[billalrebhan]

What do you think about it?

I'm not sure myself to be honest as i don't trust the SNP, but after watching last nights question time there seems to be alot of english people who are a bit miffed that we have the audacity to try and be independant,one good thing about it though we would never have to  live under a tory government again



Sorry posted in wrong board shift it plz someone

[Kermittheflyingbog]

Sorry posted in wrong board shift it plz someone

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In answer to your question, I'm not convinced Mr Salmond wants independence himself and he's def not sure he'd win a vote on it right now, He just wants more power, I too watch QT last night, very interesting points raised the most interesting of which was the issue of currency, as scotland wh=ould have to have their own, Mr Slamond solution seems to be the Euro but that won't work for most scots, it's difficult enough spending a jock fiver south of the border you'll have no chance spending a euro in southwaite services forra cuppa on ya way to blackpool for glasgie weekend 

[MO55 RCN]

build that wall !! build that wall !! build that wall !! build that wall !! build that wall !!


lol

[Biff]

As my previous thread !!

http://www.superbikeforums.co.uk/index.php/topic,51544.0.html

Now I'm not one for politics, but surely if this goes to a vote, then every person that is eligible to vote in the UK should get the chance after all it will affect the entire population.

I'll trade you Billy, we'll build the wall again and you give us the A82

[tripleMacca]

What do you think about it?

I'm not sure myself to be honest as i don't trust the SNP, but after watching last nights question time there seems to be alot of english people who are a bit miffed that we have the audacity to try and be independant,

Watched it myself Bill, and I guarantee the English people miffed are southerners. Once they get rid of Scotland , it'll be the north of England next 

Seriously though, i don't want Scotland to become independant of Britain, all Westminster are in agreement that Britain is stronger united and I agree.
I know Scotland could argue North sea oil revenues would greatly finance their country, but not fully. and they have the worry that Salmond might have to sign up to the dreaded Euro (so much for their independance then, how much say will they have in Brussels by themselves?)
Plus the RBS bailout is arguably ahigh proprotion of Scotlands debt, although Salmond denies it should be.
My worry is that the issue is causing friction between Scottish and English people and that is detrimental to the current economic climate, already companies are wary to invest in Scotland at the moment until the issue is resolved.
And to sum up, in reality does anybody likes anybody ?
Geordies don't like Macams (and vice versa), until they look at southerners then;
Northerners don't like southerners until they look at Scots then ;
The English dislike the Scots  until they look at the French
you can see where it's going 
 Britain should stay as it is but westminster should open it's eyes to prospects further North than the Midlands in my mind

[cookiegsxr]

I love everybody, except the french and anyone north of the midlands that talks funny   
 If the scots were to change to a brummy accent I may reconsider 

[Legzr1]

Wait until a general election is looming,the economy is fucked,unemployment is rising and it's looks like 'we've' developed a generation on no-hopers then send in a task force to the Clyde and the Tweed and sort the bastards out.

It's a bleak country with nowt but sheep and alcoholics but they're BRITISH and need saving.



History repeats.

Maggie is proud.




That is all 

[billalrebhan]

It's a bleak country with nowt but sheep and alcoholics but they're BRITISH and need saving.



History repeats.

Maggie is proud.




That is all 

Lmao legsy

Kerm why can't we have our own currency,we used to still  have pound notes not so long ago   Some of the other points the other night were stupid,Defence how would we do it,simple we will take all the scottish regiments, 30% of the air force and navy,,you can keep trident,you will have to move it of course with all the rusting hulks in rosyth,park them up beside Westminster   Then we invite Russia to install missiles on our borders to keep the English out  Defence sorted

So thats currency and defence worked out,whats next

 

[Kermittheflyingbog]

Not sure how you work out the currency bit Bill, Scotland doesn't have it's own currency now, it uses GBP which is issued from the Bank of england (Scottish notes are not legal tender in england as only notes issued by the bank of england are) so how do you suddenly get a euro, what exchange rate do you base it on, Scotland's economy(like it or not) is solely dependent on the UK and GBP, if you move away from the UK and GBP you have nothing, the North sea oil revenues are not Scottish, they are in British waters (Not Scottish Waters) and a percentage of trhe revenue is distributed from the treasury to Scotland:thumbsup:
As for armed forces if you think that following independence the 5.2m population of Scotland and the taxes it can contribute will be able to sustain your health service/education/roads and other infrastructure do you think there will be enough money left over to pay for armed forces? 

[billalrebhan]

I think you will find that Scottish notes are legal tender in England kerm and are issued from Scottish banks not the bank of england hence why we still had pound notes which was accepted everywhere long after england had done away with them and since when did GBP become English pounds tut tut.

Stop spouting the myth that somehow england supports Scotland's economy it does not,.

If we became independent those  British waters would cease to be British waters an become Scottish waters,therefore the oil is ours and so is the gas that we pipe down south,so any more shìt from you lot and we will cut you off

As for the armed forces what would we really need,i mean who would attack us,unlike england we are liked the world over and have no enemies apart from you lot,take the Scottish regiments out of the British army and thats  two thirds of your army gone straight off,a few small ships for fishery protection,i tell you what we will keep whats in Scotland and you keep whats in england there cant be fairer

Seriously though i wish you would stop talking about oil we do have other industries up here as well and i think some people have actually thought about how to run the country in the event of them winning the vote,would i vote for it,i don't know alot more questions would need to be answered before i did and i think most Scottish people think the same way,but imagine if we did go for it and it worked and we became a really good?fair place to live wouldn't that be worth it alone.

 

[Kermittheflyingbog]

I think you will find that Scottish notes are legal tender in England kerm and are issued from Scottish banks not the bank of england hence why we still had pound notes which was accepted everywhere long after england had done away with them and since when did GBP become English pounds tut tut.

Have a look HERE on the bank of england website you may wanna retract your claim 

[Kermittheflyingbog]

If we became independent those  British waters would cease to be British waters an become Scottish waters

Yeah coarse they will  how are they gonna change? by act of Parliament? you might need them armed forces if you want to change who's waters the oil Fields are in and I think you'll find that the oil is being removed mostly by a "British" company and the money behind them is manage in the city of London so doubt that you jacks will get a cut 

[Biff]

If they do get their independance, will the United Kingdom cease to exist in as much as name is concerned. Would England go back to being England ? Or would we be Britain?

[rotax81]

we will be Great Brit.  without the Pain 

[RichieRotten]

If they do get their independance, will the United Kingdom cease to exist in as much as name is concerned. Would England go back to being England ? Or would we be Britain?

The UK would cease it was called the United Kingdom after the Unification of The Scottish Parliament and the English Parliament 1 May 1707, if they split it would no longer be a United Kingdom.
The passing of the Acts of Union 1707 by both the English and Scottish Parliaments led to the creation on 1 May 1707 of the United Kingdom of Great Britain. The Parliament of the United Kingdom met for the first time in October 1707
Unless we shared a Monarchy, maybe you could argue that the two Kingdoms are still United. But the Act called for a Unification of the Parliaments not the Monarchies.
The Crowns were united in 1603 under James VI of Scotland who became James I of England.
So the answer is if Scotland became independent of the UK parliament then the UK would no longer exist however we could share the Monarchy.
Would we go back to being called England - well England as always been called England but we would need a name that includes Wales and Northern Ireland so perhaps Britain?
As for Oil
Well a report on the Scottish Economy gives these figures
the country had a £14.9bn current spending deficit without taxes from North Sea oil and gas and a still sizeable £9bn deficit if it had a full geographical share of North Sea revenues.