Author Topic: Derbi GPR 125 4T Brake Master Cylinder  (Read 506 times)

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Derbi GPR 125 4T Brake Master Cylinder
« on: July 11, 2012, 10:47:33 AM »
Hey everyone.

Hope your all doing well. I have a question in regards to replacing the master cylinder on the above bike. The current front brake is rather poor. It however cannot be swapped out as it has odd dimensions for the caliper so people have been switching out the master cylinder with the 16x18 Brembo model but they retail at £230 so unless you get lucky and find a used one or one with broken lever you are paying allot for the upgrade.

I have found some nice looking master cylinder that says it is for a monkey bike. 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CNC-Brake-Clutch-Levers-Master-Cylinder-Dax-Monkey-Xr-/220619798921?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item335df6f989

However they seem to be better quality than what I currently have stock so question is will I loose power on my brakes as I am struggling to know what I need. I assume that if they are at least the same size as the current master cylinder they won't decrease the performance.

The other reason for looking at these are that they have the built in resivour that looks clean and adjustable levers with 6 click adjustment which for the price seems very good.

Any help and/or thoughts on options would be good.

Kind Regards,
 

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Re: Derbi GPR 125 4T Brake Master Cylinder
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2012, 05:41:36 PM »
Brakes either bite or have feel, if you want to know a littlle more the brake action and the strength of the brake relates to the ratio of the master cylinder diameter to the slave or caliper piston. The bigger the piston surface area the bigger the force but you sacrifice feel by that I mean the brake is more brutal, not always a good thing. That is the info you need really and that advert does not give that info so you do not know what will happen to the brakes if you change the cylinder. Just changing the levers will not improve your braking but does improve how you can set up your levers so it feels more comfortable i.e the ergonomics of the system, for that reason changing levers is a good upgrade because it gives you more control.



You can increase the FORCE at the caliper by increasing the size of the caliper piston surface area = more bite.

You can decrease the FORCE at the caliper by decreasing the size of the caliper piston surface area = more feel.

A good brake will balance these so you stop in a controlled manner in the space you have to stop in.


I doubt I would bother to be honest, unless you are sure you will get an improvement.
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Re: Derbi GPR 125 4T Brake Master Cylinder
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 07:19:04 PM »
just buy a different compound pad :)
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Re: Derbi GPR 125 4T Brake Master Cylinder
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 10:52:03 PM »
Thanks for the info. That makes allot of sense.

The brake at the moment has plenty of feel but not much power at all and I assume that is why people are replacing with the Brembo master cylinder.

I will contact the ebay seller to see if they know what size the master cylinder is. As previously stated the 16x18 master seems to give big performance increase and still keep the modulation good at least by all accounts of people who have made the switch and have been much happier with the brake overall.

I wasn't expecting the brake to improve as such with the levers but they just seemed like a good little buy with the adjustments built in and look good too (sucker for CNC work) compared to the Brembo's that do not come with adjustments as standard.

I will be replacing the pads at the 3k mile service for both front and rear anyway's as they consistently howl even after chamfering the edges and applying copper grease at all applicable locations.

Again thanks for the help and info so far. Any further thoughts and or information most welcome.

Kind Regards,